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		By: Eoin Hogan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 16:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was just wondering how the democratic workers party is doing I have heard it is similar to united left alliance in Ireland. yet I realise the composition of social forces are much different however their goals, aims and strategy seam to have some convergence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just wondering how the democratic workers party is doing I have heard it is similar to united left alliance in Ireland. yet I realise the composition of social forces are much different however their goals, aims and strategy seam to have some convergence.</p>
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		By: Akhenaten		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 15:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2011/nov/25/egyptian-military-defector-army-video?INTCMP=SRCH]]></description>
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		By: Akhenaten		</title>
		<link>https://arabawy.org/36797/the-november-uprising/#comment-38794</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 15:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry, forgot the link of officer in this video.  It is worth a few minutes of yohttps://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2011/nov/25/egyptian-military-defector-army-video?INTCMP=SRCHur time, to see the potential, the possibilities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, forgot the link of officer in this video.  It is worth a few minutes of yohttps://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2011/nov/25/egyptian-military-defector-army-video?INTCMP=SRCHur time, to see the potential, the possibilities.</p>
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		By: Akhenaten		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Akhenaten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 15:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I read people like you and @Gsquare86 and others ideas, and see the officer in this video, I&#039;m so inspired and filled with confidence and Pride like the Lion w/ eye patch on the Qasr bridge.  Because of what Masr could be.

But then reality hits. Billions of dollars worth of US hyocrisy, the Saudi&#039;s leverage on SCAF and now, the Democratic Egypt party list parliament.  And poverty and crashing economy, which is destined for an IMF loan w/ privatisation requirements, henceforth, the understandable apathy of Nefertiti&#039;s children. It looks hopeless.

P.S.  Gamal Abdel Nasser of Assiut was not a Field Marshal, instead he was a mere Kernel in 52&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read people like you and @Gsquare86 and others ideas, and see the officer in this video, I&#8217;m so inspired and filled with confidence and Pride like the Lion w/ eye patch on the Qasr bridge.  Because of what Masr could be.</p>
<p>But then reality hits. Billions of dollars worth of US hyocrisy, the Saudi&#8217;s leverage on SCAF and now, the Democratic Egypt party list parliament.  And poverty and crashing economy, which is destined for an IMF loan w/ privatisation requirements, henceforth, the understandable apathy of Nefertiti&#8217;s children. It looks hopeless.</p>
<p>P.S.  Gamal Abdel Nasser of Assiut was not a Field Marshal, instead he was a mere Kernel in 52&#8242;.</p>
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		By: chaval		</title>
		<link>https://arabawy.org/36797/the-november-uprising/#comment-38786</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[most important point is the upcoming political process in the egyptian scene... 
1. a déjà vu government...
2. a scare crow civilian advisory council...
3. failure of an incapacitated parliament to deliver...
4. another mounting atmosphere of political congestion...
5. pressure from within political parties &#038; the street...
6. parliamentary confrontation (at least MB &#038; KOTLA) with SCAF...
7. eruption: back to tahrir this time from the street and the elected parliament aka fresh representatives of the egyptians...
8. if this scenario takes place, no place for ABBASSEYA...
9. theoretically its ALL EGYPT AGAINST SCAF...
10. this time with such impetus no backing until SCAF steps down...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>most important point is the upcoming political process in the egyptian scene&#8230;<br />
1. a déjà vu government&#8230;<br />
2. a scare crow civilian advisory council&#8230;<br />
3. failure of an incapacitated parliament to deliver&#8230;<br />
4. another mounting atmosphere of political congestion&#8230;<br />
5. pressure from within political parties &amp; the street&#8230;<br />
6. parliamentary confrontation (at least MB &amp; KOTLA) with SCAF&#8230;<br />
7. eruption: back to tahrir this time from the street and the elected parliament aka fresh representatives of the egyptians&#8230;<br />
8. if this scenario takes place, no place for ABBASSEYA&#8230;<br />
9. theoretically its ALL EGYPT AGAINST SCAF&#8230;<br />
10. this time with such impetus no backing until SCAF steps down&#8230;</p>
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		By: magda amin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is very good analysis ...Excellent ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very good analysis &#8230;Excellent &#8230;</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 04:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is great to read!  Speaking as only a moderately well informed observer I can say that I&#039;ve been quietly getting excited by the voter turnout because I know that every one of those people will be supporting the revolution more than ever when the parliament fails to bring any real change.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great to read!  Speaking as only a moderately well informed observer I can say that I&#8217;ve been quietly getting excited by the voter turnout because I know that every one of those people will be supporting the revolution more than ever when the parliament fails to bring any real change.</p>
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		By: brobof		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 03:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent analysis! If I may be allowed to expand on a couple of points:

&quot;a revolutionary cabinet that can send those SCAF generals to Tora.&quot;

And there is nothing to stop you! Get the various disparate Revolutionary Groups together, along with the disaffected youth from across the political spectrum. Form as broad a chamber as possible. Hammer out an alternative: a &quot;Popular Charter&quot; (in contrast to the hack work that will be the official Political Constitution) ...that is better thought out and in tune with the needs of the People. 

Rather than the needs of vested interests.

Whilst the back room deals in (shisha :) smoke filled rooms: plot and plan in secret. Parallel the process in public! On the web using Livestream or better still UStream! Use humour and satire to point out the same old tired politics of the past and the benefits of the new politics of the future.

&quot;We should not sit down and await the disillusionment to happen&quot;

More than the internet, take the Tahrir Occupation and its good will out into the country. Continue to crowdsource and build a broad spectrum of support. Take the Egyptian Occupy Movement out to the people. When you have support in the fields as well as the factories you will have won!

If, as you say, the Tahrir occupation is unsustainable as a permmanent Occupation: so be it. But continue to use El Midan as a symbol and as a location for stunts. If necessary use a truck or two as a mobile instant stage/ sound system and a couple of tents for old times sake!
A series of stunts over the winter with some surprises for the spring!
Be creative and you will achieve more impact for less effort.

The global Occupy Movement, which takes -in part- its inspiration from yours, is a much more broadly based Movement and is successful in that it has thrown off the old left wing dogma associated with anti-capitalism. You no longer have to be a dyed in the wool Marxist to be anti-capitalist. Or -more properly- anti Corporatist. Here too the target is the corporate structures that your Junta has &#039;acquired&#039; over six decades.

Finally take pause to reflect on your successes! Whilst the rest of Egypt has not embraced the socialist message it has welcomed your Revolution. The deposing of Mubarak may have been cosmetic but that foot in the door has opened up the political scene. The MB and religious right have a real scent of power and a real mandate. 
Let us see what they do with it?

In the mean time the official secular left must _consolidate_ and use its leverage to moderate the new &#039;Constitution.&#039; 

The latter of course being a pale shadow of your own &quot;Popular Charter.&quot;

If nothing else, the Revolutionary Youth has one trump card: you can outlive the bastards!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent analysis! If I may be allowed to expand on a couple of points:</p>
<p>&#8220;a revolutionary cabinet that can send those SCAF generals to Tora.&#8221;</p>
<p>And there is nothing to stop you! Get the various disparate Revolutionary Groups together, along with the disaffected youth from across the political spectrum. Form as broad a chamber as possible. Hammer out an alternative: a &#8220;Popular Charter&#8221; (in contrast to the hack work that will be the official Political Constitution) &#8230;that is better thought out and in tune with the needs of the People. </p>
<p>Rather than the needs of vested interests.</p>
<p>Whilst the back room deals in (shisha :) smoke filled rooms: plot and plan in secret. Parallel the process in public! On the web using Livestream or better still UStream! Use humour and satire to point out the same old tired politics of the past and the benefits of the new politics of the future.</p>
<p>&#8220;We should not sit down and await the disillusionment to happen&#8221;</p>
<p>More than the internet, take the Tahrir Occupation and its good will out into the country. Continue to crowdsource and build a broad spectrum of support. Take the Egyptian Occupy Movement out to the people. When you have support in the fields as well as the factories you will have won!</p>
<p>If, as you say, the Tahrir occupation is unsustainable as a permmanent Occupation: so be it. But continue to use El Midan as a symbol and as a location for stunts. If necessary use a truck or two as a mobile instant stage/ sound system and a couple of tents for old times sake!<br />
A series of stunts over the winter with some surprises for the spring!<br />
Be creative and you will achieve more impact for less effort.</p>
<p>The global Occupy Movement, which takes -in part- its inspiration from yours, is a much more broadly based Movement and is successful in that it has thrown off the old left wing dogma associated with anti-capitalism. You no longer have to be a dyed in the wool Marxist to be anti-capitalist. Or -more properly- anti Corporatist. Here too the target is the corporate structures that your Junta has &#8216;acquired&#8217; over six decades.</p>
<p>Finally take pause to reflect on your successes! Whilst the rest of Egypt has not embraced the socialist message it has welcomed your Revolution. The deposing of Mubarak may have been cosmetic but that foot in the door has opened up the political scene. The MB and religious right have a real scent of power and a real mandate.<br />
Let us see what they do with it?</p>
<p>In the mean time the official secular left must _consolidate_ and use its leverage to moderate the new &#8216;Constitution.&#8217; </p>
<p>The latter of course being a pale shadow of your own &#8220;Popular Charter.&#8221;</p>
<p>If nothing else, the Revolutionary Youth has one trump card: you can outlive the bastards!</p>
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